Curse

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Dear Arena.net

Well it seems the PvP side gets yet more updates, leaving the casual and RP gamer cold. When will we see content that that causal and RP gamer can use. Considering there is a lot of us. I'm starting to get fed up with all these updates that just pander to the wants and needs of PvP players. I'm sorry but if something is worth having then it's worth working for. The direction each and every update takes is starting to disgust me; A.net said this game was for the casual gamer. Yet every update seems only to benefit a select audience, which covers the PvP player and the expert gamers. I'm sorry but Arena.net is starting to really disappoint me. Personally I don't moan and complain about every aspect of the game and how it's not good enough for me. I don't moan because that’s not how I work, I put my trust in Arena.net to be fair to everyone. But now it seems that trust was misplaced. Guild Wars is not a game for the casual gamer, it not a game for the role-player, it seems to be a game which is for the PvP player.

The Casual Gamers and the Role-Players have said what we would like to see many times, yet we have not received any of it. The PvP gamer moans and complains constantly and like a spoilt brat they get everything they want.

I think it's about time Arena.net stuck to their guns, and starting producing this dynamic content they boasted about and offering something for everyone. If the Guild Wars continues to pander only to the PvP and expert gamer, then I'm afraid myself and many more will not be buying chapter 2. Remember your financial model relies on keeping everyone interested and happy, yet it seems your forgetting about a large chunk of your player base.

We don’t demand content, but we need it to keep us interested. Other wise we will just stop supporting the product and move on.

Gabriel Strange
http://www.gamesxtreme.net/

Red Sonya · Aug 05, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Can I have your stuff?

Loviatar · Aug 05, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabby2600

We don’t demand content, but we need it to keep us interested. Other wise we will just stop supporting the product and move on.

Gabriel Strange
http://www.gamesxtreme.net/

we dont demand it but unless we get it we are gone.

SURE

are you forgetting the new areas scheduled in a few weeks?

in that case if you are in so much of a hurry what will you do a month after the free areas are added?

i want her stuff also

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Can I have your stuff?

Probalby not.

As they have techinally mis-sold lots of people this game, let slook at the box.

'Prove your worth in a words wher SKILL decides VICTORY.'

What skill, the PVP want everything now so they can have the best and take the advantage. What skill is their in having everytrhing now.

'Explore a world that dynamically grows and changes with new content while you play.'

So wher is this world changing content, and why do I have to restart the game everytime.

A.Net claimed it's for the casual gamer yet it heavily Bias to the PvP and expert gamers.

In many countries what they have done is illigal, they have mis-sold a lot of games to players who are not getting what they payed for.

kleps · Aug 05, 2005, 09:34 PM // 21:34

oh jesus christ! its only a game! if you hate it so much, then just quit.

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

we dont demand it but unless we get it we are gone.

are you forgetting the new areas scheduled in a few weeks?

in that case if you are in so much of a hurry what will you do a month after the free areas are added?

i want her stuff also

THisis the firt time I ahve said anything like this, yet it seems the PvP player say it all the time. And I'm only saying it new because I'm well and truely pissed off.

Sure yep new areas, now where will they be, Oh post assension towards the end of the game. Oh now Mr Casual gamer will get to see this wonderful new content in say Ohh 200 hours worth of game play. So lets see, the casual gamer player about 2 hours a night, say 4 nights a week. So they will get to see this new content in 6 months, so they expect us to play 6 month before we see some new content. The PvP player gets their content Now.

Now can you see what the issue is, it seems unless we cry like a poilt brat we don't get anything which will really benifit us.

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by kleps

oh jesus christ! its only a game! if you hate it so much, then just quit.

Yep and we say that to the PvP player and they don't stop their moaning and bleating. So why shoudl we.

If it takes mass complaines and moans to get something done, then it looks like us casual gamers will have to moan louder and longer.

mr_boo · Aug 05, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

You know, I consider myself a casual gamer. I play the game about 10-12 hours a week and that's on a good week. Guild Wars is the first PC game I have ever bought due to the fact that I usually stick to console games. But what attracted me to Guild Wars was the no monthly fee. That feature alone has made this game more than worthwhile for what I paid for ($50.00), and certainly out-values any complaints I have about this game. I think too many people take it for granted that Arena.net actually tries and cares about their customers. I mean, can you (gabby2600) atest how long it takes to balance skills in this game or develop new missons and regions for people to explore. Guild Wars is not a perfect product. But for the $50.00 I shelled out for, I am more than happy with what I paid for.

mr_boo · Aug 05, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

Anet-

It seems that to me, that you advertised a (CO)RPG, without advertising the pvp as the main component of the game . nowhere on the box it said "this is a player vs player game," Yet, the PVE is on the backburner even though almost everybody plays PVE more than they pvp. the summer content updates isn't really enough for me. I understand the time put in designing and developing them, but there's still problems you have yet to address.

I've been around since the WPE, and it seems to me that PVE WERE intended to be the meat and potatoes of the entire game, and selective pvp were just pure gravy.

Many times you have proved to me and many others, that it was the PVP that's important to you. You have singlehandly destroyed the economy in your overzealous fight with the bots. if there were no need for bots, I'm sure the botters would have gone elsewhere. Your limited methods of Gold gain isn't working very well. I barely can get 300g by just playing through ONE high level mission normally, and I maybe can get 250g? if I had a pug that went through an EA and killed every single monster and opened every single chest/barrel/stash. it's a game that lends itself to massive farming and botting. You have advertised this for the casual player, but I don't see the casual player being able to get enough gold just for Droknar's armor without farming for at least 3 hours.

I suggest you increase the overall gold drop by 200% for instance, in old ascalon, there's a 4 player limit, and 15 gold drops- increase that to for example 75 gold , and scale it accordingly to the party size.

I've noticed, people don't really want rare weaponry. Aside from their upgrades, they just want rare weaponry because they sell well and gain the most gold. if I had a max dam rare crappy storm bow, I'd make at least 80k right there. and that is equalivent to what? about 50 hours worth of marhan chest farming and IDing and selling the awful drops? Ultimately, it's much easier and cheaper to use the collectors in the desert and Southern Shiverpeaks for your best weapons. We just deal in rares for the upgrades and the gold letters.

As for my own perspective with GVG and HOH, TS and Vent has been overemphasized for teamwork. I cannot use TS or Vent at all because I'm deaf. YET I see the majority clamoring for TS/Vent capable people and that is partly a reason why I've NEVER seen the glory of HOH win or lose.

GVG all depends on the guild of course, and my current one is basically dying out because no one's interested in smashing 8 people from a different guildfor fun or to get nothing vital to the guild or to themselves besides faction. We can unlock all our skills rather easily by going through the PVE at least 6 times to save time by not farming xp or skill points. What else is there? ranking? Ranking doesn't do too much to motivate my guild.

The fun I had from GW were going through the game, gaining all the skills for the primary and focusing on it and developing unique builds. I even made a ranger beast master with a spider for fun because currently many people think they suck. my pet have had survived all the missions. it were an Wolf until I got to Dragon's lair, then I got a hearty black widow. then my pet did even better! it were a corny and off the wall barrage/tigerfury/beastmaster build and it did much better than the rest of my characters.

I'm still playing GW because it's a good game, it's not perfect nor it will ever be.

I'm not gonna jump down your throat cause I'm gonna assume you didn't read the latest update post by a head developer, James Phinney.

Here's the link:
http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

sidepocket13 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

I am a pve'er and love this game, i am happy with it as is and am extremely excited about the new updates coming. but i have a question to pose to people and i am NOT doing this to be a pain in the ass.

how many NON SUBSCRIPTION online games have you played, that after 3 months they give you a free patch with as much content as this one is expected?

this is my first RPG on the pc of any kind and dont know if this is the norm?

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by mr_boo

You know, I consider myself a casual gamer. I play the game about 10-12 hours a week and that's on a good week. Guild Wars is the first PC game I have ever bought due to the fact that I usually stick to console games. But what attracted me to Guild Wars was the no monthly fee. That feature alone has made this game more than worthwhile for what I paid for ($50.00), and certainly out-values any complaints I have about this game. I think too many people take it for granted that Arena.net actually tries and cares about their customers. I mean, can you (gabby2600) atest how long it takes to balance skills in this game or develop new missons and regions for people to explore. Guild Wars is not a perfect product. But for the $50.00 I shelled out for, I am more than happy with what I paid for.

I'm not particually intersted in new areas. Yes they are nice, but waht it seems a lot of people want (mainly Role-players) is props. Somthing you can use for fun. These need no game balance, they need somple models, and a few tweaks to make sure the character moves right with them.

Role-playign districts are being screamed for, I mean if they can put in language districts the a role-playing district won't be that hard.

A few porps and maybe a storage agent for the guild halls. You know content that requires a model, some textures, and a new routine for the character animation. It's not much but it's somthing, and it's easy to add.

For the casual gamer, they could add simple things that have no real game impact so don't require any balancing. it's nto much but it's new content to be played with and you can have more fun.

I mean in Pre searing you can buy a flute, yet you cannot use it with the /flute command. Which to me makes not sence.

Yet the PvP players get vast changes to their side of things, and I'm sure their changes took a lot longer than putting in a few instruments would take.

kleps · Aug 05, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by mr_boo

You know, I consider myself a casual gamer. I play the game about 10-12 hours a week and that's on a good week. Guild Wars is the first PC game I have ever bought due to the fact that I usually stick to console games. But what attracted me to Guild Wars was the no monthly fee. That feature alone has made this game more than worthwhile for what I paid for ($50.00), and certainly out-values any complaints I have about this game. I think too many people take it for granted that Arena.net actually tries and cares about their customers. I mean, can you (gabby2600) atest how long it takes to balance skills in this game or develop new missons and regions for people to explore. Guild Wars is not a perfect product. But for the $50.00 I shelled out for, I am more than happy with what I paid for.

i completely agree. you arent paying monthly fees, where as any compliants should be addressed in a more timely fashion if you were. since i'm not paying to play the game every month, i'm perfectly content with what it is.

baalzamonbarnes · Aug 05, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Can you guys not wait a week or 2 for the upcoming big update? I'm looking forward to it to, but that's no reason to get all impatient and start declaring ultimatums.

Just calm down and wait for the update.

Jwh6913 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by mr_boo

I'm not gonna jump down your throat cause I'm gonna assume you didn't read the latest update post by a head developer, James Phinney.

Here's the link:
http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

I've read it, and I'll reserve judgment of the changes until I experence them, I'm actually talking about NOW as things currently stand in GW.

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by sidepocket13

I am a pve'er and love this game, i am happy with it as is and am extremely excited about the new updates coming. but i have a question to pose to people and i am NOT doing this to be a pain in the ass.

how many FREE online games have you played, that after 3 months they give you a free patch with as much content as this one is expected?

this is my first RPG on the pc of any kind and dont know if this is the norm?

Not many, but what the point of the patch if your not going to get the use of it for 6 months. That said, seeing the PvP players get everything, and the PvE players get very little leavse a bad taste in my mouth.

From what I have seen of the PvP it seems great, the balance is their, and time spent getting stuff in PvP seems to come clse to time spent getting the same stuff in PvE. So they have gotten that licked.

What about the PvE, you know the economy is screwed, and has crashed today. The exploiters and farmers are driving the price of items and the difficult curve of the game up.

Now because people are saying it's to easy. they have made some bonus mission so hard that the casual gamer (the player who is likely to do the bonus missions), cannot do them. So now to actually play the game and Enjoy it I will have to start looking in to have I can exploit the game.

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

I've read it, and I'll reserve judgment of the changes until I experence them, I'm actually talking about NOW as things currently stand in GW.

I to reserve judgement, A/net record in this area has not been good, so why should this update be any better.

gabby2600 · Aug 05, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by kleps

i completely agree. you arent paying monthly fees, where as any compliants should be addressed in a more timely fashion if you were. since i'm not paying to play the game every month, i'm perfectly content with what it is.

Tell that to the PvP players next time they demand something. I'm sorry but were all in the same boat. Yet 1 half of that boat get bread and water and the other gets wines and steak. I think we deserve a right to complain don't you.

mr_boo · Aug 05, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by gabby2600

I'm not particually intersted in new areas. Yes they are nice, but waht it seems a lot of people want (mainly Role-players) is props. Somthing you can use for fun. These need no game balance, they need somple models, and a few tweaks to make sure the character moves right with them.

Role-playign districts are being screamed for, I mean if they can put in language districts the a role-playing district won't be that hard.

A few porps and maybe a storage agent for the guild halls. You know content that requires a model, some textures, and a new routine for the character animation. It's not much but it's somthing, and it's easy to add.

For the casual gamer, they could add simple things that have no real game impact so don't require any balancing. it's nto much but it's new content to be played with and you can have more fun.

I mean in Pre searing you can buy a flute, yet you cannot use it with the /flute command. Which to me makes not sence.

Yet the PvP players get vast changes to their side of things, and I'm sure their changes took a lot longer than putting in a few instruments would take.

Like many I think we mis-undertstood each other. Look guys, what gabby is talking about is Role-Playing (not necessarily RPG or PVE); e.g. districts that are designated for players who want to ensure that everyone speaks in the appropriate fashion as such. To gabby: I hope sooner than later that you get the update that you're looking for (new districts, in town outfits, different hairstyles), but I personally can't stand it when players really complain about this game. Like you, I heard it one too many time from PvPers, and I'm just sick and tired of all the complaints coming from all sides. If starting this thread made you feel better, I won't hold it against you, but like I said before, I'm more than happy with what I have.

mr_boo · Aug 05, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

I've read it, and I'll reserve judgment of the changes until I experence them, I'm actually talking about NOW as things currently stand in GW.

If you've read it, then you know that they are addressing some of the exact issues that you complained about in your first post. Why not reserve your complaints then until after the update?

mr_boo · Aug 05, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by gabby2600

From what I have seen of the PvP it seems great, the balance is their, and time spent getting stuff in PvP seems to come clse to time spent getting the same stuff in PvE. So they have gotten that licked.

Not so. If you are talking about the present, there is an imbalance in grand scale PvP, and it's called Spirit Spamming. And, yes I have grown weary of people complaining about it non stop.

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Originally Posted by gabby2600

Now because people are saying it's to easy. they have made some bonus mission so hard that the casual gamer (the player who is likely to do the bonus missions), cannot do them. So now to actually play the game and Enjoy it I will have to start looking in to have I can exploit the game.

I guess we are just different in this aspect, but I truly enjoy really difficult PvE missons. The challenge of it just appeals for me; and no, I don't try to look for an exploit.